EZ-Flash USA Forum

I was in EB games the other day and showed the guy my EZ_Flash. He then got very upset and looked at me like i was a criminal. I said take it easy buddy....I can't be buying all these ds games because they are way to expensive for my budget.....besides i like having all my games on one cartidge. I know its his job...but i wouldnt be worried about DS sales.

Christ, what the fuck do you think he was going to say? Yes, downloading and using roms is illegal and immoral, you are stealing someone's hard work. Not to mention it of course violates copyright laws and probably the DMCA too.

Would you steal a car from a car dealer, then go back and show them the car you stole and say "hey, my new car great"? Maybe you would go download some MP3s, put them on your iPod and walk into a music store and say "hey, I downloaded all these CDs here and didn't pay for them"

That has got to be the dumbest thing I've heard of anyone doing :p

Steal ROMs all you want, but don't go into a store that *sells* games and expect them to be *happy* for you.

The guy at EB games doesnt make the games.; and im sure his minimum wage job won't be jeopardized cause i'm stealing games. No matter what anyone says or does there will always be pirating and homebrew.....always. Videogames have always been overpriced anyway so I will continue to "steal" games because I already spent $200 on the DS.

Charging £15 for a Audio CD / £20 for a DVD and £30-£50 for games IS more immoral then downloading them

In the past i've spent £50 on a game to find out its crap played it for less then 1 hour what a ripoff that is

so from then on i download my games AND if they ARE GOOD i do go out and buy them
(i downloaded for my PC Unreal / Unreal Tournament / Unreal 2 / UT2004)
and 3 weeks ago i spent £9.99 on Unreal Anthology as its a GOOD buy

If you support crap games YOU WILL GET MORE CRAP GAMES do we need that...


A Audio CD costs less then £0.50 to make
A DVD costs less then £1.00 to make
A GAME costs less then £2.50 to make

I still plan on buying the games that I really like. I have done so in the past with others. I do, however feel like I bought a DS, a DS Lite, and $500+ worth of games (not to mention trying many many shitty cases that were all not worth the purchase). I think sometimes that surely I've given them enough money, but it is true that if everyone kept the same mentality as me the company would begin to fail. As it stands, most companies make little profit off the system and most profit off the games. If you think buying the Lite alone is enough support, you're wrong. But I understand money being tight. As it stands I haven't been capable of buying anything since Christmas, my parents have no money to give me, any money I get has to be spent on gifts for other people, and my job is really only paying and giving me enough hours for me to be able to get the gas and insurance to drive to work (and really not enough for that, so my parents are going to have to foot the bill). Nintendo can't expect me to rush out and buy every failure that is crapped out by third parties with all faith knowing full well I could be wasting my sparse money.

exactly... Nintendo should create a demo download service for ds games using wifi.

wha isnt they did that already??
there are plenty of demos online too you can download free and legal
but funny you need a nawty flash cart to play them anyway

i'm with mr_owen there you know if i really want a game i will buy it
every game i really like for NDS i have original bought copy dam straight
more room for DPGs then too ya know
and havent downloaded roms in a long time becuz dunno where the hell to get them anyway!!

when you showed him your EZV why didnt you show him DScent or something
and tell him "STFU its better than this poke the pony bullshit your trying to sell here!"


LMAO!!!!!!!

With you on that, you could show them some good homebrew etc.

Where to get em? Download Kazaa and search for warez! (KIDDING KIDS, DONT TRY THIS AT HOME!!!)

I'll PM you a link, we're not supposed to link to ROMs on here. After having my flashcart for a while, I download games even if I do buy them because it's easier to play them on my cart than having to change game cards constantly.

I like how PPL STILL think physical stealing and copying are the same



If you steal a car from a car dealer "The will be a car missing the next day he go's to work"
If you copy a car (get all the parts and make it) the car dealer will see your car look over at he's car and say
it's the same BUT HE WILL STILL HAVE HE'S ONE TO SELL (NOT STEALING)

the same go's for CD's too.

here is a link for you "Physics For Dummies"

Ahhhh idealism. Listen, any way you slice it, you're breaking the law. Accept that fact, and stop trying to reason that you're not. However, there are plenty of reasons that completely justify doing so in my opinion. As mentioned before, a lot of times games are utter crap. Why should you have to pay before you play, only to find out it was a waste of money and you can't return it?

Also, who says they would have gotten your money in the first place, whether you enjoy the game or not? Not everyone can afford to pick up every new game, so the losses people cite due to piracy are incredibly inflated. If it wasn't for my flashcard, I probably wouldn't even own a DS in the first place. As a student I just can't afford to be spending money on anything besides food and books. So quite literally they're not losing anything when I download games, they wouldn't have been getting my money anyways. This also goes for other things like applications, games, entertainment etc. If I wasn't getting it for free, my money would still be in my pocket.

hey chums i wasnt looking asking for roms okay
i dont wanna get banned or nothing so noone think im asking for it
i was just sayin

plus theres nothin that intrests me anyway look at the lineup
most of them are released from last year anyway just diffrent regions
n everything else is crossword puzzles n kids stuff

so you gotta support great games man buy what you really like
becuz they probably market games to peoples they know what steal it (copy it too alright)
they know whoever buys puppy-rubsDS isnt into flast carts an pirating
gotta make em want to make f-zeroDS and another metroid by buying them see

sp go ahead and download illegal puppy rubbing game but buy the dam f-zeroDS FFS!!!

BS. No, a game costs faaaar more than 2.50 to make. game development costs run into hundreds of thousands, millions even. And remember selling stuff isn't just to recoup dev costs it's also for making a profit. They have every right to sell it at any price. If you felt ripped off because you didn't like a game doesn't mean that the dev didn't work hard on it. Now, there are crap games but caveat emptor - you have the complete choice to read reviews/rent the game etc. - it's not the companies fault you didn't like what they made. Noone is forcing you to buy it - lots of anticipation/hype is not criminal. Most games have demos - console games are an exception but you can wait a week for a review, right? If you can't, it's your fault and even if you did, it was your decision alone to buy the game.



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Lots of people can't buy Ferraris. Does this justify that those people should go and carjack Ferraris simply because Ferrari doesn't "lose" any money by not selling the car? Do you understand how money works? When you stole their property, they lost the 40$ they might have gotten from you - now when you do have the money you won't pay them since you already have the game. And most games are make-or-break for their creators: if they fail to sell well the creators will go bankrupt/lose their jobs thereby consolidating game creation such that only giants like EA/Sony/MS make any games - they can eat the initial dev cost/piracy costs.

Theft is theft, plain and simple. As far as I am concerned, if you download something you already own, you aren't stealing it... so it makes it pretty tough to answer the poll in a yes/no kind of way. Is downloading them in itself immoral (the act of downloading it from one PC to your own PC) - nope. Is using them once downloaded immoral... conditionally - theft is theft.


Let me pose a question to you then... if Ferrari markets a new Ferrari line, offers only the option to buy it not sit in it or test drive it, or even look at it up close, and it turns out when you get it in your hands from a 3 month pre-order and line up based essentially on a couple blurry pictures and over-hyped media circuses... and in your hands you now have the equivalent of a pinto, is that not theft? Should that not also be illegal as well? Your argument does indeed justify this type of misrepresentation, especially when it is the $40 they did get from you

Lots of people can lie to make the sale of a shoddy game from a big studio to the unsuspecting... does this mean everyone should do so instead of making awesome games? It does seem to be the trend these days... gems in a pile of manure (sorry devs, I hate to say this because even I know how much work goes into some of the over-rushed, shoved out the door with the programmers kicking and screaming, commercial games that hit the streets these days), and no way to tell the diff until you find a way around the "you cant try it if it's in the package" ideal.

I agree that purchasing something and finding out it is crap is diappointing - but legally speaking screenshots don't mean much. There are loads of games where the devs promised something but couldn't deliver - this is to be expected. However, if they advertised the game as having X feature and then didn't do it, with the intention of not doing it, that's fraud/false advertising. Giving pre-release info is always risky because it will change - this is why there's always a disclaimer about the pics/ss. But if Ferrari promised a 900hp motor etc. and delivered a 90hp and intentionally advertised a 900hp car that's fraud or false advertising, and it is illegal.